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Re: Chassis abbreviations - what do they stand for? 11 years 11 months ago #9951

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Edou wrote:
SRB and such may not be official abbreviations but I'm sure the universal chassis types came from Tamiya.
The manuals always seem to be in semi-English at least, even the Japanse editions.
Some cars got the type description years later, like with the Manta Ray being called DF-01.
The FF had it's name from the start though... and I'm sure one of the Fs stands for front wheel drive.
I checked - the 58121 (first FF) also has this on the front page :

Yes ... but no. The "FF" there means "Front engined, Front wheel drive". Check out the 58149 Mini Cooper ... M-01 chassis, but it also says "FF" on the manual cover

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Re: Chassis abbreviations - what do they stand for? 11 years 11 months ago #9952

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True enough... and I guess that's typically Tamiya. :whistle:

They must have made a separation at a later point then.

I just discovered something else that's not quite on topic but it shows the same pattern that often happens with Tamiya.
The Manta Ray (and many many models after that) uses the TG10 wheel axles.
Only that was released two years later...
The axles had alraedy been produced for quite a while when they decided to make it a universal part.
Giving the name to it when they made that change, not when they were first issued.
They should be called "Manta Ray wheel axles" if you look at the time line.
Only another part number makes the distinction...

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Re: Chassis abbreviations - what do they stand for? 11 years 11 months ago #9953

waterbok Offline Get Rough! Posts: 3499 Likes received: 1167	On the spareparts list that comes with the MR manual they are listed no. 9805369 so apparently they were available before the TG10 parts and got relabeled The following user(s) Liked this: Edou
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Re: Chassis abbreviations - what do they stand for? 11 years 11 months ago #9954

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With another Tamiya twist... the kit supplied number is 2595074.
For the Top Force kit supplied is 9805369 - same as is listed for the Manta Ray spare part apparently.
More or less what they did with the pinions btw.
I looked at earlier models but the 58087 was the first car to have the part.
Not really TG10 wheel axles one could say...
But retrofitting, or rather retro-categorizing is a well know Tamiya phenomenon.
Noticed it in the CVA evolution also.

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Re: Chassis abbreviations - what do they stand for? 11 years 11 months ago #9955

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I've had a look at the FF01 and M chassis both being called "FF".
The first FF02 actually has "FF02" on the first page but at the same time the M cars are also still referred to as "FF".
First one that's called M (that I found so far) is the 58295 M03L.
They didn't switch immediately after the FF02 was released.
The first few M03s are still FFs in the overlapping production period between both chassis.

Officially it's M-03L btw, but the use of "-" is also a conundrum. :huh:

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Re: Chassis abbreviations - what do they stand for? 11 years 11 months ago #9956

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Found what I'd previously researched on the "FF" chassis

I wrote:
1994 Catalogue: first appearance of the chassis later to be known as the "FF01", otherwise as 1995

1995 Catalogue: as 1996

1996 Catalogue: cars labelled with both chassis code & drive layout (e.g. "M-02" "RWD", etc); but for "FF" chassis cars there's no chassis code, just listed as "FWD"

1997 Catalogue: Similar conventions as 1996, still no chassis codes for "FF" cars - but drive layout referred to as both "FF" (Golf VR6, Vectra JTCC, Toyota Tom's Exiv JTCC) and "FWD" (Tom's Levin, Jaccs Civic, Primera JTCC, Volvo 850 BTCC). "2WD" replaces "RWD" (e.g. "M-02" "2WD"). M-01 chassis referred to as "M-01" "FWD".

1998 Catalogue: "FF" (Front engine, Front Wheel Drive) code replaces "FWD" - i.e. "M-01" "FF"; "FF" chassis cars still have no chassis code,

1999 Catalogue: as 1998

1999 Guide Book (UK) (Lars' dating/location): VW New Beetle designated as "FF", Peugeot 306 designated "FF02" on the same page

2000 Catalogue: "FF01" chassis code finally used - along with the new "FF02" chassis. "FF" drive layout tag retained, e.g. "FF01" "FF", "FF02" "FF".

2001 Catalogue: Chassis type given greater prominence

2001 Guide Book: drive layout codes barely used, cars listed by chassis type (e.g. "FF01", "FFO2).

2002 Catalogue: as 2001, but FF01 chassis does not appear

2003 Catalogue: as 2002

2003 Guide Book: drive layout codes barely used, cars listed by chassis type (e.g. "FFO2), mentions "FF01" as "* No longer in production",

2004 Catalogue: as 2003 Catalogue

2005 Catalogue: no FF02 chassis cars

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Re: Chassis abbreviations - what do they stand for? 11 years 11 months ago #9957

Edou Topic Author Offline Hopping Mad Posts: 6135 Likes received: 483	Looks like the guide books are a better source here, although I cannot say the logic is obvious... Makes the info in the manuals even more peculiar when the Ms had a designated type early on. TamiyaWeb.com
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Re: Chassis abbreviations - what do they stand for? 11 years 11 months ago #9958

Edou Topic Author Offline Hopping Mad Posts: 6135 Likes received: 483	I noticed the Japanese guide book already lists an FF01 and FF02 since the latter came out in '99... www.tamiyabase....html?pop=0 The logic in the guide books and manuals seem to match that way. M chassis is a different story though... TamiyaWeb.com
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Re: Chassis abbreviations - what do they stand for? 11 years 11 months ago #9959

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Other Tamiya abbreviations could also be nice to add to the list, but I'll stick to basic chassis types for now.

waterbok wrote:
XC Xross Country
CC Cross Country
XV Xross Vehicle ?

DB Dirt Belt
DT Dirt Two
DF Dirt Four

WR Willy Ranger
CR CRawler
TXT Tamiya Xtreme Truck
TLT ? Tamiya Little Truck

TA Touring group A
TB Touring B
TL Touring Light
TT Touring Trainer
FF Front Front

M Mini

I think we can agree "FF" stands for Front wheel drive Front engine - to be a bit more specific...
And there's other chassis of course :

DN Dirt ...
F Formula
GB (TamTech)
GT (TamTech)
NDF Nitro ...
TG Touring Gasoline ? (quite a few TG chassis with additional letters)
TRF Tamiya Racing Factory

Together making this list :

XC Xross Country
CC Cross Country
XV Xross Vehicle ?

DB Dirt Belt
DT Dirt Two
DF Dirt Four
DN Dirt ...

F Formula

GB
GT

NDF Nitro ...
TG Touring Gasoline ?

WR Willy Ranger
CR CRawler
TXT Tamiya Xtreme Truck
TLT Tamiya Little Truck ?

TA Touring group A
TB Touring B
TL Touring Light
TT Touring Trainer
FF Front (wheel drive) Front (engine)

M Mini

TRF Tamiya Racing Factory

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